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	<title>Comments on: Motorola: Apple won&#8217;t open the iPhone</title>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-3123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamranhansenhansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; Excuse me but when did the browser end on the Mac 
&gt; become under-served?

The first version of Safari competed with only one other browser: Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Mac, which was already end-of-life. Microsoft quite famously converted IE from a cross-platform Mac, Unix, Windows browser to a Windows component. The Mac OS X version was very, very slow, never really making it all the way across the divide from Mac OS 9. But if you wanted to use Mac OS X it was your only choice in Web browser.

With the default browser from the Mac end-of-life, Apple had to install another browser as the default and they chose to make their own. So instead of IE 6 we got Safari 1. There was no other browser to choose from.

&gt; Not to mention the fact that Camino

... comes way after Safari in the timeline. Camino went 1.0 in 2006. Safari filled the gap left by IE in 2003 well before Camino shipped. Your timelines are way off.

&gt; Firefox

Firefox is also post-Safari. Safari filled the gap left by IE in 2003 well before Firefox shipped. Again, your timelines are way, way off. Firefox 1.0 shipped almost 2 years after Safari 1.0.

Safari 1.0: January, 2003
Firefox 1.0: November, 2004

&gt; and Opera

Opera is not now and has never been a major browser. It&#039;s strength is mobiles, yet today most mobile Web browser usage is Safari.

&gt; browsers are much better on the Mac than Safari.

That&#039;s your personal opinion. However, Apple had to introduce Safari in January 2003 to fill a gaping software need before you could judge Safari against other browsers that came after it and then go on to mistakenly call bullshit on somebody for pointing out there was a lack of browsers on Mac OS X in 2003.

&gt; Good story otherwise, just this flagrant bull shit
&gt; at the end makes you toss the whole story as an
&gt; Apple paid ad.

Before you say something like flagrant bull shit you should at least check Wikipedia to see if you are out of your fucking mind at the moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Excuse me but when did the browser end on the Mac<br />
&gt; become under-served?</p>
<p>The first version of Safari competed with only one other browser: Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 Mac, which was already end-of-life. Microsoft quite famously converted IE from a cross-platform Mac, Unix, Windows browser to a Windows component. The Mac OS X version was very, very slow, never really making it all the way across the divide from Mac OS 9. But if you wanted to use Mac OS X it was your only choice in Web browser.</p>
<p>With the default browser from the Mac end-of-life, Apple had to install another browser as the default and they chose to make their own. So instead of IE 6 we got Safari 1. There was no other browser to choose from.</p>
<p>&gt; Not to mention the fact that Camino</p>
<p>&#8230; comes way after Safari in the timeline. Camino went 1.0 in 2006. Safari filled the gap left by IE in 2003 well before Camino shipped. Your timelines are way off.</p>
<p>&gt; Firefox</p>
<p>Firefox is also post-Safari. Safari filled the gap left by IE in 2003 well before Firefox shipped. Again, your timelines are way, way off. Firefox 1.0 shipped almost 2 years after Safari 1.0.</p>
<p>Safari 1.0: January, 2003<br />
Firefox 1.0: November, 2004</p>
<p>&gt; and Opera</p>
<p>Opera is not now and has never been a major browser. It&#8217;s strength is mobiles, yet today most mobile Web browser usage is Safari.</p>
<p>&gt; browsers are much better on the Mac than Safari.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s your personal opinion. However, Apple had to introduce Safari in January 2003 to fill a gaping software need before you could judge Safari against other browsers that came after it and then go on to mistakenly call bullshit on somebody for pointing out there was a lack of browsers on Mac OS X in 2003.</p>
<p>&gt; Good story otherwise, just this flagrant bull shit<br />
&gt; at the end makes you toss the whole story as an<br />
&gt; Apple paid ad.</p>
<p>Before you say something like flagrant bull shit you should at least check Wikipedia to see if you are out of your fucking mind at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;openness&#8221; not a gauge of &#8220;goodness&#8221; — Island in the Net</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-2606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8220;openness&#8221; not a gauge of &#8220;goodness&#8221; — Island in the Net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ‘openness’ but the degree to which it provides utility and delight to its customers. - ( via CounterNotions )           Share and [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Yearning for iPhone &#124; iPhone Footprint</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yearning for iPhone &#124; iPhone Footprint]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Apple proves itself to be a cut above the rest as it delights its customers apart from providing unrivaled utility. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Apple proves itself to be a cut above the rest as it delights its customers apart from providing unrivaled utility. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Halbig: &lt;em&gt;&quot;My suspicion was that AT&amp;T was terrified of what a true computing platform writ small&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

If somehow Apple guarantees that AT&amp;T won&#039;t lose revenue (or that amount is otherwise offset through gains elsewhere) do you think AT&amp;T would care at all if the iPhone is open or not?

I think AT&amp;T might care that Jobs is apparently interested enough to meet with the founder of FON though:

&lt;strong&gt;Video: What’s Steve Jobs like in a meeting?&lt;/strong&gt;
http://counternotions.com/2007/10/26/sj-meeting-video/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Halbig: <em>&#8220;My suspicion was that AT&amp;T was terrified of what a true computing platform writ small&#8221;</em></p>
<p>If somehow Apple guarantees that AT&amp;T won&#8217;t lose revenue (or that amount is otherwise offset through gains elsewhere) do you think AT&amp;T would care at all if the iPhone is open or not?</p>
<p>I think AT&amp;T might care that Jobs is apparently interested enough to meet with the founder of FON though:</p>
<p><strong>Video: What’s Steve Jobs like in a meeting?</strong><br />
<a href="http://counternotions.com/2007/10/26/sj-meeting-video/" rel="nofollow">http://counternotions.com/2007/10/26/sj-meeting-video/</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Halbig</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Halbig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bluntly, the &quot;security and stability&quot; argument that Apple used as an excuse to keep the iPhone closed was bull. Period. My suspicion was that AT&amp;T was terrified of what a true computing platform writ small (in the form of mobile OS X on the iPhone) would do to their traditional income streams (think SMS) -- it&#039;s no mistake that Steve announced the opening of the platform AFTER it was clear how the iPhone would boost AT&amp;T&#039;s bottom line, *without* having to resort to charging for every text message and byte of data transmitted from the device.

Now with their subscriber numbers soaring as a direct result of the phone, opening up the platform not only makes the iPhone more desirable, it adds to the viability of the iPod Touch, not to mention any other Ultra-portable computing solutions being concocted by the mad scientists in Cupertino -- iTablet, anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bluntly, the &#8220;security and stability&#8221; argument that Apple used as an excuse to keep the iPhone closed was bull. Period. My suspicion was that AT&amp;T was terrified of what a true computing platform writ small (in the form of mobile OS X on the iPhone) would do to their traditional income streams (think SMS) &#8212; it&#8217;s no mistake that Steve announced the opening of the platform AFTER it was clear how the iPhone would boost AT&amp;T&#8217;s bottom line, *without* having to resort to charging for every text message and byte of data transmitted from the device.</p>
<p>Now with their subscriber numbers soaring as a direct result of the phone, opening up the platform not only makes the iPhone more desirable, it adds to the viability of the iPod Touch, not to mention any other Ultra-portable computing solutions being concocted by the mad scientists in Cupertino &#8212; iTablet, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Monopólio? Deixa de ser chorão. &#171; EM-BAR-CA-DO</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monopólio? Deixa de ser chorão. &#171; EM-BAR-CA-DO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] se a Apple fosse um vilão, mas os gráficos de satisfação dos usuários falam por si só. Veja esta matéria. Isso significa que a Apple está criando um monopólio sim, mas tem todo o direito de fazê-lo, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] se a Apple fosse um vilão, mas os gráficos de satisfação dos usuários falam por si só. Veja esta matéria. Isso significa que a Apple está criando um monopólio sim, mas tem todo o direito de fazê-lo, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rambodoc</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rambodoc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good and illuminating post, and some superb comments, too!
How much do I owe you?
:-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good and illuminating post, and some superb comments, too!<br />
How much do I owe you?<br />
:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steven:&lt;em&gt;&quot;The next step for handset makers is to stand up to the service providers...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

This is just the issue I explore in my latest article:

&lt;strong&gt;AT&amp;T: iPhone changes how we’ll do business&lt;/strong&gt;
http://counternotions.com/2007/10/26/att-iphone-changes/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven:<em>&#8220;The next step for handset makers is to stand up to the service providers&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>This is just the issue I explore in my latest article:</p>
<p><strong>AT&amp;T: iPhone changes how we’ll do business</strong><br />
<a href="http://counternotions.com/2007/10/26/att-iphone-changes/" rel="nofollow">http://counternotions.com/2007/10/26/att-iphone-changes/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandrino,

Of course, Motorola should concentrate on making non-crappy phones and leave Apple alone.  But that&#039;s only the first step.  

The next step for handset makers is to stand up to the service providers to prevent them from selling the phones with most of its features hamstrung.  As much as we admire the iPhone, I admire Apple more for breaking the paradigm in its relationship with AT&amp;T.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandrino,</p>
<p>Of course, Motorola should concentrate on making non-crappy phones and leave Apple alone.  But that&#8217;s only the first step.  </p>
<p>The next step for handset makers is to stand up to the service providers to prevent them from selling the phones with most of its features hamstrung.  As much as we admire the iPhone, I admire Apple more for breaking the paradigm in its relationship with AT&amp;T.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandrino</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2007/10/25/motorola-on-iphone/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandrino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 01:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Translation: Waaa, waa, Apple is beating us at our own game, no fair. Mommeeeeeee!!

Before my iPhone I had a RAZR, a truly crappy phone better put to use scraping gum off the sidewalk. Instead of whining about Apple and the iPhone, Motorola should try designing a phone that isn&#039;t a piece of crap. If they make a better phone, people will buy it. What is sad is that Apple with it&#039;s very first telephone is beating Motorola soundly. For a company that has been making cell phones for almost as long as cell phones have been around, this is deeply embarrassing. Earth to Motorola, if you can&#039;t stand the heat, take your ball and go crying back to mommy. Motorola should either shut up and compete, or leave the cell phone market to the big kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translation: Waaa, waa, Apple is beating us at our own game, no fair. Mommeeeeeee!!</p>
<p>Before my iPhone I had a RAZR, a truly crappy phone better put to use scraping gum off the sidewalk. Instead of whining about Apple and the iPhone, Motorola should try designing a phone that isn&#8217;t a piece of crap. If they make a better phone, people will buy it. What is sad is that Apple with it&#8217;s very first telephone is beating Motorola soundly. For a company that has been making cell phones for almost as long as cell phones have been around, this is deeply embarrassing. Earth to Motorola, if you can&#8217;t stand the heat, take your ball and go crying back to mommy. Motorola should either shut up and compete, or leave the cell phone market to the big kids.</p>
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