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	<title>Comments on: Verizon CEO to Steve Jobs: Drop Dead</title>
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	<description>Musings on strategic design by Kontra, a veteran design and management surgeon, perennially in search of complex problems to operate on.</description>
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		<title>By: Ziad Fazel</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-1063</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Kontra.  I see it as an odd form of compliment from one CEO about another, raising bigger questions.  Commenting that Steve Jobs will eventually get old:

1.  In no way wishes him ill health; in fact the opposite.

2.  As a CEO 10 years older than Jobs, Seidenberg is tacitly admitting that Jobs has at least another 10 years.

3.  Seidenberg is responding that Jobs eventual retirement from Apple gives Verizon a better chance to succeed.

4. Seidenberg probably felt secure enough in making that complement because he wanted to make that point that Verizon could overcome the long-term benefits ATT receives from partnering with Apple on iPhone.

What Seidenberg did not expect from his odd compliment was the way you nailed him on stock performance, Kontra.  It shines a light on Seidenberg, and raises the question of whether his age has anything to do with Verizon&#039;s performance.  Here the comparisons must be made to Verizon&#039;s industry peers, especially ATT and T-Mobile, for competitors with and without iPhone.

Also, by focussing on the term of CEO careers instead of quarters, he also raises the point about the viability of CDMA over the long term, and whether EVDO and similar CDMA-based 3G technologies are more investments into a dead end.  As much as I admire the iPhone for the most significant disruption in the smartphone market since Blackberry, whether and how to move into GSM-based 3G platforms may be the more critical decision for companies like Verizon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kontra.  I see it as an odd form of compliment from one CEO about another, raising bigger questions.  Commenting that Steve Jobs will eventually get old:</p>
<p>1.  In no way wishes him ill health; in fact the opposite.</p>
<p>2.  As a CEO 10 years older than Jobs, Seidenberg is tacitly admitting that Jobs has at least another 10 years.</p>
<p>3.  Seidenberg is responding that Jobs eventual retirement from Apple gives Verizon a better chance to succeed.</p>
<p>4. Seidenberg probably felt secure enough in making that complement because he wanted to make that point that Verizon could overcome the long-term benefits ATT receives from partnering with Apple on iPhone.</p>
<p>What Seidenberg did not expect from his odd compliment was the way you nailed him on stock performance, Kontra.  It shines a light on Seidenberg, and raises the question of whether his age has anything to do with Verizon&#8217;s performance.  Here the comparisons must be made to Verizon&#8217;s industry peers, especially ATT and T-Mobile, for competitors with and without iPhone.</p>
<p>Also, by focussing on the term of CEO careers instead of quarters, he also raises the point about the viability of CDMA over the long term, and whether EVDO and similar CDMA-based 3G technologies are more investments into a dead end.  As much as I admire the iPhone for the most significant disruption in the smartphone market since Blackberry, whether and how to move into GSM-based 3G platforms may be the more critical decision for companies like Verizon.</p>
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		<title>By: UseBrain</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-884</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obviously &#039;get old&#039; means that the products and innovation will become stale and uninteresting to the general public.  It has nothing to do with age, health, wishing death, whatever.  Use your brain and comprehend sentences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously &#8216;get old&#8217; means that the products and innovation will become stale and uninteresting to the general public.  It has nothing to do with age, health, wishing death, whatever.  Use your brain and comprehend sentences.</p>
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		<title>By: Ildiko</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ildiko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kontra,

I&#039;m thinking that Verzion CEO might have not necessary referred to Steve Jobs&#039; health. He might say that Apple’s soul is Steve Jobs, and when Steve gets out of the scene, sooner or later, Apple might be in trouble. This implies that Verzion CEO does not consider himself indispensable to his company’s success. This “Apple is Steve Jobs” statement might be correct or not…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kontra,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that Verzion CEO might have not necessary referred to Steve Jobs&#8217; health. He might say that Apple’s soul is Steve Jobs, and when Steve gets out of the scene, sooner or later, Apple might be in trouble. This implies that Verzion CEO does not consider himself indispensable to his company’s success. This “Apple is Steve Jobs” statement might be correct or not…</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; and you thought steve could be an ass? i drank the kool-aid: clutching my dixie cup of apple goodness</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; and you thought steve could be an ass? i drank the kool-aid: clutching my dixie cup of apple goodness]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] steve could be an ass? Posted in July 2nd, 2008  by Dizzle in Dear Leader, apple haters, iPhone From CounterNotions - Verizon CEO to Steve Jobs: Drop Dead In an interview with The Financial Times yesterday, Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg had this to say [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] steve could be an ass? Posted in July 2nd, 2008  by Dizzle in Dear Leader, apple haters, iPhone From CounterNotions &#8211; Verizon CEO to Steve Jobs: Drop Dead In an interview with The Financial Times yesterday, Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg had this to say [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert J. Holtz</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-832</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert J. Holtz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is far from the first time he has mouthed off like this.

Seidenberg isn&#039;t just clueless... he is clueless AND outspoken. Ever since I watched him blast Bluetooth at the All Things D conference years ago and make a bozo out of himself, I realized the propensity this man has to say asinine things that his handlers need to later retract and clean up for him down the line. He suffers from perpetual foot-in-mouth disease.  He should apologize to Jobs if for no other reason that it is just poor form.

Mr. Seidenberg, some advice from Shakespeare and Lincoln... &quot;Better to be silent and thought the fool than to speak and remove all doubt.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is far from the first time he has mouthed off like this.</p>
<p>Seidenberg isn&#8217;t just clueless&#8230; he is clueless AND outspoken. Ever since I watched him blast Bluetooth at the All Things D conference years ago and make a bozo out of himself, I realized the propensity this man has to say asinine things that his handlers need to later retract and clean up for him down the line. He suffers from perpetual foot-in-mouth disease.  He should apologize to Jobs if for no other reason that it is just poor form.</p>
<p>Mr. Seidenberg, some advice from Shakespeare and Lincoln&#8230; &#8220;Better to be silent and thought the fool than to speak and remove all doubt.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mddand: &lt;em&gt;&quot;I thought he meant &#039;old&#039; as in stale&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Steve Jobs is the only person I think of in the history of modern technology who has had four mega-hits in Macintosh, iMac, iPod and iPhone that changed their respected industries. So it would be wrong to speculate for Mr. Seidenberg that Jobs could/is likely to get &quot;stale.&quot; Facts just don&#039;t support it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mddand: <em>&#8220;I thought he meant &#8216;old&#8217; as in stale&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Steve Jobs is the only person I think of in the history of modern technology who has had four mega-hits in Macintosh, iMac, iPod and iPhone that changed their respected industries. So it would be wrong to speculate for Mr. Seidenberg that Jobs could/is likely to get &#8220;stale.&#8221; Facts just don&#8217;t support it.</p>
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		<title>By: mddand</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mddand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe that he meant it as &#039;old&#039; as in &quot;the old man&#039;s going to die tomorrow&quot;. I thought he meant &#039;old&#039; as in stale, that Steve Jobs will be &#039;old news&#039; tomorrow. But then again, everything&#039;s subject to one&#039;s interpretation and  controversy generates more traffic than niceties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe that he meant it as &#8216;old&#8217; as in &#8220;the old man&#8217;s going to die tomorrow&#8221;. I thought he meant &#8216;old&#8217; as in stale, that Steve Jobs will be &#8216;old news&#8217; tomorrow. But then again, everything&#8217;s subject to one&#8217;s interpretation and  controversy generates more traffic than niceties.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. G.</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ivan Seidenberg arrogantly presumes aging from a determinist point of view.  If we follow the vanguard science of regenerative medicine and the logic put forward by the likes of Aubrey de Grey and Ray Kurzweil, who knows what options Jobs or any of us will explore to address the &quot;disease&quot; of senescence?  

Check out the recent UCLA conference on regenerative medicine and De Grey&#039;s perspective at the Methuselah Foundation at
http://www.methuselahfoundation.org

Dr. G
www.spacesuityoga.wordpress.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan Seidenberg arrogantly presumes aging from a determinist point of view.  If we follow the vanguard science of regenerative medicine and the logic put forward by the likes of Aubrey de Grey and Ray Kurzweil, who knows what options Jobs or any of us will explore to address the &#8220;disease&#8221; of senescence?  </p>
<p>Check out the recent UCLA conference on regenerative medicine and De Grey&#8217;s perspective at the Methuselah Foundation at<br />
<a href="http://www.methuselahfoundation.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.methuselahfoundation.org</a></p>
<p>Dr. G<br />
<a href="http://www.spacesuityoga.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.spacesuityoga.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uzo: &lt;em&gt;&quot; perhaps the public will grow tired of Steve Jobs and his luster will go away&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Jobs&#039; luster has been with us for three decades and will surely shine bright after he&#039;s gone. The same cannot be said of Mr. Seidenberg and his &quot;legacy.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uzo: <em>&#8221; perhaps the public will grow tired of Steve Jobs and his luster will go away&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Jobs&#8217; luster has been with us for three decades and will surely shine bright after he&#8217;s gone. The same cannot be said of Mr. Seidenberg and his &#8220;legacy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2008/06/28/verizon-ceo/#comment-824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom B, You have it right. At least the JP Morgans and Carnegies expected results instead of excuses. I don&#039;t own Verizon stock but if I did, I&#039;d sell on this man&#039;s rambling alone. Give me earning or give me another stock!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom B, You have it right. At least the JP Morgans and Carnegies expected results instead of excuses. I don&#8217;t own Verizon stock but if I did, I&#8217;d sell on this man&#8217;s rambling alone. Give me earning or give me another stock!</p>
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