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	<description>Musings on strategic design by Kontra, a veteran design and management surgeon, perennially in search of complex problems to operate on.</description>
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		<title>By: How dogma begets anti-app myopia &#171; counternotions</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-5189</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 05:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had previously explained why Wilson missed the boat on Flash in Does &#8220;A VC&#8221; have a blind spot for Apple? and most recently touched upon the business reasons why he is so bothered about Apple&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had previously explained why Wilson missed the boat on Flash in Does &#8220;A VC&#8221; have a blind spot for Apple? and most recently touched upon the business reasons why he is so bothered about Apple&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: glyf</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2348</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, so the iPhone is a proprietary platform, allowing Apple to provide a single unified target for developers in the chaotic world of mobile devices.

My point is that there is a very strong parallel here with what Adobe has with the Flash platform. In terms of developing an RIA, you could either build something using the Flash platform as a front end, or you could spend 10 times as long using Javascript and CSS and still have it look wonky on IE6. Sure, WebKit / HTML 5 is a step in the right direction, but it has the same achilles heel that Android does in the mobile sphere at this stage.

For some reason you&#039;re all about the iPhone since it provides a unified platform but down on Flash b/c its proprietary. Then when it comes to open source, you&#039;re all about Webkit / HTML 5 cause its open but think Android&#039;s going nowhere b/c its too fragmented.

I understand that the parallel isn&#039;t perfect, but I think the disparity in the mobile device world and be compared to the disparity in the differences btwn browsers.

I also think you can make a pretty good argument that to the extent that Adobe has proprietary control over the Flash plugin, it is primarily in service of promoting a unified platform. The same way most Apple technology is built on open standards until the point where it undermines the ability to provide a consistent platform, I think its pretty clear also that Adobe is interested in moving towards open standards where it won&#039;t undermine the integrity of the platform. For instance, I can use completely open source technology like Javascript or HaXe and FlashDevelop to write content for Flash without buying into some kind of Adobe scheme. I don&#039;t even have to touch Actionscript, even though that conforms to ECMA standards as well. Adobe could easily have made this impossible if they wanted to leverage their proprietary control of the Flash plugin. Instead, like Apple, they understand that embracing open standards and declining to charge licensing fees on both ends helps to further the platform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, so the iPhone is a proprietary platform, allowing Apple to provide a single unified target for developers in the chaotic world of mobile devices.</p>
<p>My point is that there is a very strong parallel here with what Adobe has with the Flash platform. In terms of developing an RIA, you could either build something using the Flash platform as a front end, or you could spend 10 times as long using Javascript and CSS and still have it look wonky on IE6. Sure, WebKit / HTML 5 is a step in the right direction, but it has the same achilles heel that Android does in the mobile sphere at this stage.</p>
<p>For some reason you&#8217;re all about the iPhone since it provides a unified platform but down on Flash b/c its proprietary. Then when it comes to open source, you&#8217;re all about Webkit / HTML 5 cause its open but think Android&#8217;s going nowhere b/c its too fragmented.</p>
<p>I understand that the parallel isn&#8217;t perfect, but I think the disparity in the mobile device world and be compared to the disparity in the differences btwn browsers.</p>
<p>I also think you can make a pretty good argument that to the extent that Adobe has proprietary control over the Flash plugin, it is primarily in service of promoting a unified platform. The same way most Apple technology is built on open standards until the point where it undermines the ability to provide a consistent platform, I think its pretty clear also that Adobe is interested in moving towards open standards where it won&#8217;t undermine the integrity of the platform. For instance, I can use completely open source technology like Javascript or HaXe and FlashDevelop to write content for Flash without buying into some kind of Adobe scheme. I don&#8217;t even have to touch Actionscript, even though that conforms to ECMA standards as well. Adobe could easily have made this impossible if they wanted to leverage their proprietary control of the Flash plugin. Instead, like Apple, they understand that embracing open standards and declining to charge licensing fees on both ends helps to further the platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2341</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[glyf: &lt;em&gt;&quot;It seems that you lose your enthusiasm for open source if it happens to be Apple that’s standing in the way.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m not sure what you mean. Most of Apple&#039;s products &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; built on open standards, from its OS X to H.264 to HTML to AAC.

Apple takes an open standard and builds its own UI and connective tissue on top of it. Apple differentiates itself not at the file format/codec/standards level, but at the user experience realm built on top of them. I believe in that approach.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://counternotions.com/2009/01/19/agora/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Android’s Achilles Heel&lt;/a&gt; piece exposed the &lt;em&gt;necessarily&lt;/em&gt; fragmented nature of the open source Android &lt;em&gt;in the name of choice&lt;/em&gt;. As I&#039;ve said before, choice-first approach is detrimental to open source, or any other platform, for that matter.

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/app_store/theres_an_app_for_that.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;There&#039;s an App for That&lt;/a&gt; Joe Wilcox explains why a &lt;em&gt;unified&lt;/em&gt; platform strategy is crucial to attract developer attention and build momentum. This is just the opposite of what Android&#039;s doing.

In contrast, WebKit is open source, even to Apple&#039;s direct competitors Google, Adobe, Nokia, Palm, etc. But still &lt;em&gt;as a package&lt;/em&gt;, in practical use, Mobile Safari is still the best mobile browser out there, which is what distances Apple from others.

So I don&#039;t see a contradiction here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glyf: <em>&#8220;It seems that you lose your enthusiasm for open source if it happens to be Apple that’s standing in the way.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean. Most of Apple&#8217;s products <em>are</em> built on open standards, from its OS X to H.264 to HTML to AAC.</p>
<p>Apple takes an open standard and builds its own UI and connective tissue on top of it. Apple differentiates itself not at the file format/codec/standards level, but at the user experience realm built on top of them. I believe in that approach.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://counternotions.com/2009/01/19/agora/" rel="nofollow">Android’s Achilles Heel</a> piece exposed the <em>necessarily</em> fragmented nature of the open source Android <em>in the name of choice</em>. As I&#8217;ve said before, choice-first approach is detrimental to open source, or any other platform, for that matter.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://blogs.eweek.com/applewatch/content/app_store/theres_an_app_for_that.html" rel="nofollow">There&#8217;s an App for That</a> Joe Wilcox explains why a <em>unified</em> platform strategy is crucial to attract developer attention and build momentum. This is just the opposite of what Android&#8217;s doing.</p>
<p>In contrast, WebKit is open source, even to Apple&#8217;s direct competitors Google, Adobe, Nokia, Palm, etc. But still <em>as a package</em>, in practical use, Mobile Safari is still the best mobile browser out there, which is what distances Apple from others.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t see a contradiction here.</p>
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		<title>By: glyf</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2340</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kontra: I think you should take minute and recall your previous entry &quot;Agora phone exposes Android’s Achilles Heel&quot;. It seems that you lose your enthusiasm for open source if it happens to be Apple that&#039;s standing in the way. 

As you pointed out, the advantages of keeping a platform proprietary have helped the iPhone distance itself from its competitors. The same is true of the Flash platform and the vast difference between it and its open source alternatives (although they don&#039;t really qualify as such).

I&#039;m sure you&#039;d agree that there are ups and downs to both approaches. Just try not to get too carried away on the Apple fanboy bandwagon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kontra: I think you should take minute and recall your previous entry &#8220;Agora phone exposes Android’s Achilles Heel&#8221;. It seems that you lose your enthusiasm for open source if it happens to be Apple that&#8217;s standing in the way. </p>
<p>As you pointed out, the advantages of keeping a platform proprietary have helped the iPhone distance itself from its competitors. The same is true of the Flash platform and the vast difference between it and its open source alternatives (although they don&#8217;t really qualify as such).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d agree that there are ups and downs to both approaches. Just try not to get too carried away on the Apple fanboy bandwagon.</p>
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		<title>By: flo</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Kontra While he is certainly correct that basically correct in that you can fancy-talk/marketing talk most words&#039; meaning to what best fits your needs, this doesn&#039;t make it so in practice. Also I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s one of the reason shareware sucks so much on windows, cause small developers don&#039;t profit from this &quot;partner ecosystem&quot; if it actually exists and profits anyone apart from msft.
Taking the mp3 format as an example again: The fact that msft or someone else can pay for a license, doesn&#039;t make it open in the slightest. However to anyone not in the know, it probably would seem &quot;open&quot; cause it is available to almost everyone on every computer, by default.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kontra While he is certainly correct that basically correct in that you can fancy-talk/marketing talk most words&#8217; meaning to what best fits your needs, this doesn&#8217;t make it so in practice. Also I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s one of the reason shareware sucks so much on windows, cause small developers don&#8217;t profit from this &#8220;partner ecosystem&#8221; if it actually exists and profits anyone apart from msft.<br />
Taking the mp3 format as an example again: The fact that msft or someone else can pay for a license, doesn&#8217;t make it open in the slightest. However to anyone not in the know, it probably would seem &#8220;open&#8221; cause it is available to almost everyone on every computer, by default.</p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deanston: &lt;em&gt;&quot;The word &#039;Open&#039; has been so misused and abused by MSFT...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Then you&#039;ll love Ballmer&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-269605.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;definition&lt;/a&gt; from Mobile World Congress yesterday:

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&quot;Open means different things to different people,&quot; Ballmer said. &quot;To some people, open means open source. It means more than that and different than that to me. Open can mean an open platform that people can extend, or it can mean open standards that are baked in. Ultimately the companies that succeed will be open, maybe in different ways and at different times.&quot;

To Ballmer, &quot;open&quot; refers to &quot;the power and success of the partner ecosystem approach [that Microsoft] pioneered at the beginning of the PC revolution&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deanston: <em>&#8220;The word &#8216;Open&#8217; has been so misused and abused by MSFT&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Then you&#8217;ll love Ballmer&#8217;s <a href="http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-269605.html" rel="nofollow">definition</a> from Mobile World Congress yesterday:</p>
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&#8220;Open means different things to different people,&#8221; Ballmer said. &#8220;To some people, open means open source. It means more than that and different than that to me. Open can mean an open platform that people can extend, or it can mean open standards that are baked in. Ultimately the companies that succeed will be open, maybe in different ways and at different times.&#8221;</p>
<p>To Ballmer, &#8220;open&#8221; refers to &#8220;the power and success of the partner ecosystem approach [that Microsoft] pioneered at the beginning of the PC revolution&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Information vs. Judgement: A VC&#8217;s dilemma &#171; counternotions</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Information vs. Judgement: A VC&#8217;s dilemma &#171; counternotions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Wed, Feb 18, 09   Yesterday in Does &#8220;A VC&#8221; have a blind spot for Apple? we outlined how Union Square Ventures VC Fred Wilson was drinking the Adobe Kool-Aid on why Apple hasn&#8217;t seen fit to allow Flash on the iPhone. His piece got dozens of comments, many of them quite negative as Wilson himself noted in comments he left here. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wed, Feb 18, 09   Yesterday in Does &#8220;A VC&#8221; have a blind spot for Apple? we outlined how Union Square Ventures VC Fred Wilson was drinking the Adobe Kool-Aid on why Apple hasn&#8217;t seen fit to allow Flash on the iPhone. His piece got dozens of comments, many of them quite negative as Wilson himself noted in comments he left here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Information vs. Judgement: A VC&#8217;s dilemma &#171; counternotions</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Information vs. Judgement: A VC&#8217;s dilemma &#171; counternotions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Feb 18, 09   Yesterday in Does &#8220;A VC&#8221; have a blind spot for Apple? we outlined how Union Square Ventures VC Fred Wilson was drinking the Adobe Kool-Aid on why Apple [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I want to know is when is Adobe going to cease with the bogus press statements about how close they are to putting Flash on iPhone or how they are working so closely with Apple to get that done.  Wishful thinking on a very large and public scale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I want to know is when is Adobe going to cease with the bogus press statements about how close they are to putting Flash on iPhone or how they are working so closely with Apple to get that done.  Wishful thinking on a very large and public scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2009/02/16/open/#comment-2327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Deanston: &lt;em&gt;&quot;[Apple] focusing on satisfying the ~50% consumers who could care less about having Flash on the phone.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

This is the part the anti-Apple brigade misses. There are already 20-30 million users quite happy to pay a premium to own an iPhone &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; Flash. If the most popular smartphone in the U.S. can thrive without Flash, what does that say about the essentiality and inevitability of Flash?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deanston: <em>&#8220;[Apple] focusing on satisfying the ~50% consumers who could care less about having Flash on the phone.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>This is the part the anti-Apple brigade misses. There are already 20-30 million users quite happy to pay a premium to own an iPhone <em>without</em> Flash. If the most popular smartphone in the U.S. can thrive without Flash, what does that say about the essentiality and inevitability of Flash?</p>
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