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	<title>Comments on: The case against Opera Mini on the iPhone</title>
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	<description>Musings on strategic design by Kontra, a veteran design and management surgeon, perennially in search of complex problems to operate on.</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-4478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 16:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s Norwegian for &quot;I work at Opera.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s Norwegian for &#8220;I work at Opera.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Crawford</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-4010</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Crawford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monopolies are not inherently bad. It is abuse of monopoly power to limit competition that is bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monopolies are not inherently bad. It is abuse of monopoly power to limit competition that is bad.</p>
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		<title>By: J. King</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-3938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a) &quot;rounded corners&quot; ie. border-radius is definitely -not- basic CSS.  It&#039;s quite advanced CSS.
b) Opera now supports border-radius with no prefix in version 10.50.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) &#8220;rounded corners&#8221; ie. border-radius is definitely -not- basic CSS.  It&#8217;s quite advanced CSS.<br />
b) Opera now supports border-radius with no prefix in version 10.50.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Carlos</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-3937</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juan Carlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are &quot;ClapClap&quot;, &quot;Nowwwhhaaattt&quot;, and &quot;Tykstr&quot; Norwegian colloquialisms for &quot;mob enforcer&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are &#8220;ClapClap&#8221;, &#8220;Nowwwhhaaattt&#8221;, and &#8220;Tykstr&#8221; Norwegian colloquialisms for &#8220;mob enforcer&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: gxg</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-3895</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rounded corners for once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rounded corners for once.</p>
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		<title>By: ClapClap</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-3885</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ClapClap]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are just spreading FUD against Opera. The fact is that Opera Mini is perfectly secure for day to day browsing.

If you don&#039;t trust Opera, you shouldn&#039;t use Opera Mini for sensitive transactions, of course, but considering Opera&#039;s reputation and conduct, your data is safe with them. That is, they won&#039;t log any data on you.

Unlike Apple and Google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are just spreading FUD against Opera. The fact is that Opera Mini is perfectly secure for day to day browsing.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t trust Opera, you shouldn&#8217;t use Opera Mini for sensitive transactions, of course, but considering Opera&#8217;s reputation and conduct, your data is safe with them. That is, they won&#8217;t log any data on you.</p>
<p>Unlike Apple and Google.</p>
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		<title>By: kalel17</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-3859</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[also symbian and maemo ;) . There is also the option to jailbreak which is an alternative for those who want apple products but not their policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also symbian and maemo ;) . There is also the option to jailbreak which is an alternative for those who want apple products but not their policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-3858</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;i do agree that a proxy server increases the vulnerability of your security, i agree yes. &lt;/em&gt;

Thank you, that settles it then.

Unlike North Korea, there&#039;s an embarrassing amount of choice in the phone business. Some are better than others. You pick whatever you want. If you don&#039;t like Apple&#039;s policies, then you&#039;d be free to use Android or LinMo phones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>i do agree that a proxy server increases the vulnerability of your security, i agree yes. </em></p>
<p>Thank you, that settles it then.</p>
<p>Unlike North Korea, there&#8217;s an embarrassing amount of choice in the phone business. Some are better than others. You pick whatever you want. If you don&#8217;t like Apple&#8217;s policies, then you&#8217;d be free to use Android or LinMo phones.</p>
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		<title>By: kalel17</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-3857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kalel17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[choice can never be &#039;mindless&#039;, the ability to choose between what you want is the correct format of attending to things. The ability to choose is as good as it gets, it encourages competition and in the end benefits the end user despite what apple says. We should be able to choose what we want on what we buy, we dont need a father to &#039;look&#039; out for us, we are old enough to make our own decisions. This is has nothing to do with apple caring or protecting any of their customers it is about protecting their business model.
Millions of people uses operamini to access private information on other smartphones such as symbian s60, there have never been a single compliant. I do recognise the possibility of your data leaking and being stored by others, i do agree that a proxy server increases the vulnerability of your security, i agree yes. The thing is that it should be available for those willing to use it. You cant disagree that the same persons who would download and install it are the same persons who have used operamini on other phone and recognise it as a good alternative. So its not like people using iphones dont know opera already, they KNOW it and is willing to download and use it because they have used it BEFORE. Nothing on the iphone will make them more prone to risk than on other platforms because they will be using the same servers to process data.

I guess the north koreans and cubans know how mindless choices are, then why try to change their government&#039;s ways? :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>choice can never be &#8216;mindless&#8217;, the ability to choose between what you want is the correct format of attending to things. The ability to choose is as good as it gets, it encourages competition and in the end benefits the end user despite what apple says. We should be able to choose what we want on what we buy, we dont need a father to &#8216;look&#8217; out for us, we are old enough to make our own decisions. This is has nothing to do with apple caring or protecting any of their customers it is about protecting their business model.<br />
Millions of people uses operamini to access private information on other smartphones such as symbian s60, there have never been a single compliant. I do recognise the possibility of your data leaking and being stored by others, i do agree that a proxy server increases the vulnerability of your security, i agree yes. The thing is that it should be available for those willing to use it. You cant disagree that the same persons who would download and install it are the same persons who have used operamini on other phone and recognise it as a good alternative. So its not like people using iphones dont know opera already, they KNOW it and is willing to download and use it because they have used it BEFORE. Nothing on the iphone will make them more prone to risk than on other platforms because they will be using the same servers to process data.</p>
<p>I guess the north koreans and cubans know how mindless choices are, then why try to change their government&#8217;s ways? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kontra</title>
		<link>http://counternotions.com/2010/02/18/mini/#comment-3855</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kontra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 06:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m getting tired of these &quot;Opera is secure, because...&quot; nonsense. Opera is the &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; browser in question here that acts as &lt;em&gt;the man in the middle&lt;/em&gt; by explicitly breaking the end-to-end security chain between the user and the target URL. If you couldn&#039;t comprehend that from the above article, read it here again. If you don&#039;t believe me, then read the &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Opera Mini FAQ&lt;/a&gt; warning itself for heaven&#039;s sake:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Is there any end-to-end security between my handset and — for example — paypal.com or my bank?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;No. If you need full end-to-end encryption, you should use a full Web browser such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Opera Mobile&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Opera Mini uses a transcoder server to translate HTML/CSS/JavaScript into a more compact format. It will also shrink any images to fit the screen of your handset. This translation step makes Opera Mini fast, small, and also very cheap to use. To be able to do this translation, the Opera Mini server needs to have access to the unencrypted version of the Web page. Therefore no end-to-end encryption between the client and the remote Web server is possible.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If you haven&#039;t learned anything from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://counternotions.com/2010/02/15/buzzback/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Buzz fiasco&lt;/a&gt; regarding security and privacy, then I don&#039;t know what to tell you. If you want mindless choice then, obviously, iPhone or other Apple devices are not your platform. Move on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting tired of these &#8220;Opera is secure, because&#8230;&#8221; nonsense. Opera is the <em>only</em> browser in question here that acts as <em>the man in the middle</em> by explicitly breaking the end-to-end security chain between the user and the target URL. If you couldn&#8217;t comprehend that from the above article, read it here again. If you don&#8217;t believe me, then read the <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Opera Mini FAQ</a> warning itself for heaven&#8217;s sake:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>Is there any end-to-end security between my handset and — for example — paypal.com or my bank?</strong></em></p>
<p><em>No. If you need full end-to-end encryption, you should use a full Web browser such as <a href="http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Opera Mobile</a>.</em></p>
<p><em>Opera Mini uses a transcoder server to translate HTML/CSS/JavaScript into a more compact format. It will also shrink any images to fit the screen of your handset. This translation step makes Opera Mini fast, small, and also very cheap to use. To be able to do this translation, the Opera Mini server needs to have access to the unencrypted version of the Web page. Therefore no end-to-end encryption between the client and the remote Web server is possible.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t learned anything from the <a href="http://counternotions.com/2010/02/15/buzzback/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Google Buzz fiasco</a> regarding security and privacy, then I don&#8217;t know what to tell you. If you want mindless choice then, obviously, iPhone or other Apple devices are not your platform. Move on.</p>
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